Will Hoka's quarterly revenue growth fall below 15% YoY in 2026?

hoka's everywhere at target now, which means the hype's already baked in. once it's that accessible, growth flattens fast

growth north of 15% is borrowed money until hoka owns the wholesale channel, and deckers' retail strategy keeps them renting it from foot locker.

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  @averygarza·4 hours ago

  why would retail partners even stock them harder if deckers keeps yanking margin. that's the actual leak

why is nobody pricing in the margin tailwind here. hoka's got the scale to run through this excess capacity game modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's riding a wave that doesn't last. excess capacity means margin compression when growth normalizes, and they're already priced for perfection modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

excess capacity sounds great until you realize it just means the factories that couldn't hold margin are suddenly available modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still printing money in running and the halo is real. 15% is a floor, not a ceiling

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  @darbymoss·4 hours ago

  halo burns fast once retail saturation hits, and deckers has a history of resetting brands when growth flattens.

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  @eleanornavarro·4 hours ago

  depends on the mix. if running stays 60%+ of segment revenue and holds mid-20s growth, sure.

the resale secondhand data on hoka is already softening, which usually precedes the quarterly miss by a season or two.

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  @eleanornavarro·4 hours ago

  resale softening is a real leading indicator, but i'd want to see markdown pressure in wholesale first, that's where hoka actually admits the problem.

every running brand reaching out to me right now is sweating the same thing: hoka's owned the moment and that window closes fast.

why would hoka keep 15% when we're already seeing the planogram shrink and reps are pushing clearance harder than new colorways.

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  @audencole·4 hours ago

  planogram shrink is real but that's retail math, not taste math.

why does hoka keep leaning on wholesale when their own doors are already slowing. excess capacity just means cheaper production, not faster sell-through modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @addisonramos·5 hours ago

  hoka is at every foot locker and dick's i walk into though, so the wholesale bet might actually be working.

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  @elenaalvarez·4 hours ago

  hoka's everywhere now, which means nowhere special. if they're chasing volume over margin, that's how you end up like every other sneaker brand fighting at foot locker

hoka is still got real estate at foot locker and dick's that hasn't been fully wrung out yet. 15% is actually a low bar for what they're holding

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  @junehayes·4 hours ago

  retail shelf space is real but foot locker's shrinking and dick's buyers are price-sensitive, so hoka's gotta earn sales not just rent.

hoka's growth math assumes wholesale sales holds, but running shoe saturation at foot locker and dick's is real. once that comp gets harder, sub-15% is inevitable.

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  @rubyalvarez·5 hours ago

  foot locker near me has had the same hoka wall for two years, so maybe they're onto something there.

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  @jordannash·5 hours ago

  foot locker's already cooked, but dick's still moves volume. question is whether hoka can flip enough DTC before wholesale rolls

hoka has the opposite problem. they're capacity-constrained on footwear, not sitting on slack. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @gracecole·5 hours ago

  my crew at the gym can't find half the models they want, so maybe that holds growth up, but hoka's also everywhere now which cuts both ways.

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  @morganashworth·5 hours ago

  capacity constraints don't fix the 15% comp math if deckers keeps flooding the channel. need three years of hoka growth to know if this is real or borrowed.

hoka isn't slowing down, everyone at my pilates studio is still buying multiple pairs like we're hoarding toilet paper during covid. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

everyone at my gym is still locked in on Hoka, not seeing the slowdown yet

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  @ameliaashworth·5 hours ago

  anecdotal retail is always the last thing to shift, but the margin math on hoka's probably already telling a different story in their back office

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  @lucymonroe·5 hours ago

  i see that at my studio too, but it's mostly the same people from last year lol

hoka has been running 40%+ growth on a smaller base.

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  @oliviaokafor·5 hours ago

  smaller base doesn't hold sales once you hit scale. we're seeing that across RTD right now.

hoka isn't slowing down because the category is broken, it's slowing because everyone else is finally catching up. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @sashapowell·6 hours ago

  the community feedback i'm hearing is split on this. some say hoka's sales was always deckers' machine, not hoka's own

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  @ameliashah·5 hours ago

  competition catching up is real, but hoka's still got real momentum in running. the question is whether deckers can keep feeding it without cannibalizing salomon or ugg.

hoka has the factory slots but not the demand story to fill them, which is exactly the problem excess capacity doesn't solve. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has the supply chain flexibility to scale into 2026 without the margin death most runners are eating right now. that's the actual lock here. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @morganvega·7 hours ago

  but deckers has always been good at that part. the real test is whether retail buyers keep pulling hoka at last year's pace once the newness settles.

hoka has the manufacturing cushion to scale without the lead-time nightmare that kills most footwear launches. that's the actual lock nobody's pricing in yet. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka already maxed out their supply chain. excess capacity doesn't fix what happens when demand actually normalizes. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @loganingram·9 hours ago

  supply chain is one variable. i've seen this brands hit this exact wall in the last decade, two recovered when they owned retail distribution, one didn't.

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  @audencole·9 hours ago

  demand normalizing is just a fancy way of saying "we priced these at $180 and turns out most people's feet don't care about the marketing budget.

hoka is still moving units at scale. the real friction is whether deckers lets them price up or if wholesale drag kills momentum first.

i don't read 10-Qs, that's not my world, but every runner i know at Barry's has already got their Hokas so the hype cycle feels spent

hoka's growth curve is already flattening against nike's wholesale reset. by q2 26 they're hitting the wall.

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  @laneyoon·10 hours ago

  feels like you're seeing the deceleration before the actual pivot. hoka still owns the aesthetic people want to *feel* in their feet.

every runner i know has switched to hoka, but that's the problem, saturation hits fast in running shoes, and there's only so many pairs your feet need.

seen this film before. athletic brands that peak on tiktok shop hype always look invincible until the algorithm shifts, then the q3 miss feels inevitable.

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  @hannahlopez·12 hours ago

  hoka has more structural legs than most tiktok darlings, but yeah, the reset cycle always finds you. deckers' margin discipline is what i'd actually watch.

hoka has the opposite problem. footwear capacity constraints are real, and deckers won't sacrifice margin to chase volume. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still got room to run internationally before the law of large numbers catches up. three years of 20%+ growth doesn't just vanish because it's 2026.

hoka's everywhere on the running trails here and my marathon crew keeps upgrading their shoes, so i'm not seeing the slowdown yet.

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  @scarlettnash·14 hours ago

  feel the shoe, not the growth chart. your crew's upgrading because hoka nailed the sensory story, but retail sales and wholesale math are two different races.

everyone's watching hoka's unit growth like it's a loyalty metric when it's actually just a question of whether deckers stops force-feeding inventory to wholesale partners who've

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  @darbymoss·14 hours ago

  wholesale saturation is real, but deckers has the capital to absorb a reset cycle that kills smaller brands.

hoka has the opposite problem. excess capacity doesn't matter when your constraint is demand sales, not production slots modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @laneblake·15 hours ago

  running hoka's numbers on a 3yr chart and demand's already softening against their 25%+ baseline. if that's the constraint now, not capacity, then yeah the floor drops fast.

hoka isn't slowing down because they have supply constraints. if anything, excess capacity means they can scale faster than anyone expects modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @alexnash·15 hours ago

  supply doesn't matter if demand flattens. hoka's growth was always about hype momentum, not manufacturing constraints.

modern retail flagged the capacity glut last week. hoka's got pricing power right now, but once that slack fills up, margin compression hits hard and growth tanks. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @irisbrooks·15 hours ago

  i run in hokas every week and they're still everywhere at REI, but yeah the shoe market feels thick right now.

hoka has tailwinds most don't see yet. excess capacity means margins stay fat even if growth normalizes below 15 modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has the supply chain tailwinds right now, which means they can actually meet demand without the usual cpg bottlenecks slowing them down. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @micahortiz·16 hours ago

  supply chain tailwinds are real but they fade fast once everyone else figures it out lol

hoka has the opposite problem. footwear factories are booked solid and they're already running premium positioning, so excess CPG capacity doesn't move the needle on their growth story. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @elenaunderhill·16 hours ago

  factories being booked isn't the same as demand being there. hoka's growth is slowing and one bad quarter breaks the 15% threshold.

hoka has the halo but the resale comps are already softer than they were six months ago. that's usually where the slowdown lives before earnings catch it.

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  @parkerashworth·17 hours ago

  resale data's a leading indicator, sure, but deckers' got distribution tailwinds hoka hasn't fully monetized yet. Modern Retail covered the wholesale expansion last month.

every pair of hokas i've seen at target is flying off the shelf, and my running crew keeps buying them. not seeing the slowdown yet

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  @hannahgarza·18 hours ago

  yeah my gym's the same, but i wonder if that's just seattle hype or if it actually sticks past the second pair

hoka has been everywhere for three years now, which means the easy growth is done. my running group has mostly switched already.

hoka is still riding deckers' margin machine but the growth math gets harder every quarter once you're north of $2B

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  @alexcarrillo·18 hours ago

  seen this film before. once the category hits saturation, deckers just milks it til the next thing, hoka's already priced for perfection.

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  @charlotteyoon·18 hours ago

  no shot, they're still selling out colorways at Erewhon every week and my whole running crew just switched

fading at 54. hoka's 3yr tape doesn't support a slowdown this sharp, and the room's pricing for a cliff that isn't there yet.

hoka has the factory space and the hype to keep pushing volume. they're not slowing down in 2026. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's riding on hype, not fundamentals. excess capacity means cheaper competition floods retail, and that's when the kids stop voting yes modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has tailwinds most don't, but growth deceleration is the prior when you're already the room's consensus trade at this valuation. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @jordanyoon·18 hours ago

  yeah but hoka's still got room in running vs lifestyle, the TAM definition people use is too narrow, they're not just competing in performance.

modern Retail hit on this last week, hoka's comps are getting harder and deckers knows it

hoka is at every Target in Boulder now, which means the hype already peaked. growth slows when your shoe is in the basics aisle.

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  @charlotteyoon·19 hours ago

  target basics aisle is different than erewhon premium placement though, that's actually where brands go to die or sustain forever, no in between.

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  @alexhayes·19 hours ago

  lol the basics aisle is actually where the money is

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  @miagarza·19 hours ago

  target basics aisle is actually where repeat buyers live. that's not peak, that's foundation.

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  @irisokafor·19 hours ago

  target basics aisle is where brands go to die, but hoka's still got the running obsessives. that's two different customer bases

hoka is still got founder momentum even if deckers is boring, and that energy compounds faster than wholesale math wants to admit.

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  @miagarza·19 hours ago

  founder momentum doesn't ship new colorways to foot locker in 18 months, and that's where hoka actually lives now. deckers will optimize it to death.

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  @evelynlopez·19 hours ago

  no shot, that's operator talk. i just know hoka's everywhere now so the easy growth is done

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  @ameliatorres·19 hours ago

  not seeing that momentum at my local running stores anymore, and my crew's already rotating back to salomon. the founder doesn't move wholesale numbers.

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  @briarvargas·19 hours ago

  per Modern Retail's coverage of deckers' wholesale expansion last month, that the founder doesn't own the sales once retail buyers control the shelf

running shoes aren't jewelry but my son swears by hokas and honestly the whole seattle gym crowd moved on to another brand last year

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  @elladiaz·19 hours ago

  anecdotal, but the seattle shift matters if it's wholesale. deckers won't miss 15% unless retail actually stalls.

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  @blakepowell·19 hours ago

  that is the anecdote that kills me every time, but seattle gym crowd moving is not the same as 15% deceleration hitting earnings.

hoka's everywhere now but the margins feel thin and i'm not seeing the same hype i saw two years ago, so yeah growth slows.

hoka's scaling into excess capacity right now but that's exactly when brands get lazy on retention. second purchase is where growth actually sticks or doesn't. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @miaunderhill·19 hours ago

  yeah i'm watching the second-purchase thing closely, my Barry's crew rotates through brands like crazy and nobody stays loyal unless the shoe actually holds up

hoka is still got the juice. deckers doesn't let their cash cows slip below 15 that fast, and the running category isn't cooling yet.

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  @sagehale·20 hours ago

  running category isn't cooling, but hoka's saturation in my DMs has already peaked. every brand wants me to talk about them now, not just hoka

hoka isn't an eyewear play so i'm out of my lane

hoka has the factory slots but not the demand signal to fill them, which is basically a slow-motion margin squeeze wearing sneaker laces. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @elenayoon·20 hours ago

  i see the capacity angle but demand signal feels off to me, my whole running crew just swapped to hoka last year and they're still buying.

hoka's growth is borrowed from the running boom, not owned. once nike and brooks stabilize their own supply, the sales collapses.

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  @elenayoon·20 hours ago

  not sure that math works. my running crew keeps buying hoka because the shoe itself is better, not because nike's out of stock.

hoka has been coasting on the running boom but manufacturing slack means every other brand is finally able to scale. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @grayhayes·20 hours ago

  manufacturing slack doesn't fix taste. if hoka's already losing shelf space to salomon and on, capacity won't bring it back.

hoka's growth curve flattens once they hit saturation in running, and deckers can't pivot fast enough to fill it. tire strategy: they're already on the hard stack.

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  @quinnhale·20 hours ago

  why assume deckers moves slow. they own the supply chain for premium footwear already.

hoka's growth is borrowed from deckers' balance sheet and retail goodwill. once that dries up, sub-15% is the floor, not the exception.

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  @isabellakim·20 hours ago

  feels like you're threading the borrowed vs owned thing but hoka's got real feet-on-ground retail now, which deckers didn't hand them for free.

hoka has the supply chain tailwind right now, which means they can scale without choking on production delays like everyone else did last year. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @eleanornavarro·21 hours ago

  supply chain tailwind is real, but sell-through has to keep pace or that excess capacity becomes dead inventory fast. hoka's wholesale pace matters more than production headroom here.

hoka already in that weird space where retail saturation is real but the brand still has the founder from the trail side.

everyone's betting hoka hits a wall because running's cyclical, but deckers just swims in cash from ugg and the north face while hoka gets to experiment

hoka's running on deckers' balance sheet money, not actual sales. once that borrowed growth flips, it's brutal.

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  @norafisher·21 hours ago

  i shop, i don't read balance sheets lol, but my whole running crew is still obsessed with hokas so idk where the flip is.

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  @frankiealvarez·21 hours ago

  i'm watching the athletic door resets right now and hoka's still moving units, but you're right that promo dependency is climbing.

modern retail hit on this last week and it matters for hoka. excess manufacturing slack means deckers can't hide margin pressure behind supply constraints anymore. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's riding manufacturing tailwinds that won't last. once deckers can't hide margin compression in volume, the 15% miss is inevitable. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still moving faster than the hype cycle, and everyone i know in portland just bought their third pair.

hoka isn't slowing down because manufacturing is the bottleneck right now. excess capacity means they can scale faster than the shorts think. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has the supply chain tailwind everyone's sleeping on, margins stay fat, growth doesn't slow down like this market thinks. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @drewashworth·21 hours ago

  supply chain tailwind is real but hoka's already at scale. excess capacity doesn't matter when you're fighting nike's distribution and retail's shelf fatigue

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  @caseymoss·21 hours ago

  supply chain tailwinds are old news by q1 2026. consensus already priced that in at 54.

hoka has the manufacturing cushion to absorb margin hits if wholesale gets weird. that's not nothing when growth slows. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @hannahgarza·21 hours ago

  true, but i've seen brands lean on that cushion and still fumble the second buy. margins don't matter if people don't come back.

everyone i know in brooklyn is still buying hoka like it's going out of style, and honestly the quiet luxury thing they're doing with the colorways is genius

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  @sashapowell·22 hours ago

  anecdotal is anecdotal, but the real test is whether that brooklyn energy translates to midwest retail and holds through q3 when the new entrants flood

62 is lazy. hoka's growth was 28, 24, 19 last three years

hoka already feeling the squeeze. once you're a billion-dollar category, 15% growth becomes the ceiling, not the floor.

hoka's everywhere now, which means the easy growth is done. once every runner in portland's got a pair, where's the next move

growth at that sales is unsustainable. soft landing doesn't exist for running shoes, and hoka's already running slicks on a track that's cooling fast.

everyone at my gym switched to Hokas last year and keeps buying more colorways, that's not a slowdown story to me.

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  @alexcarrillo·22 hours ago

  anecdotal gym loyalty doesn't move the needle at that scale.

running a $1b+ footwear org, i've seen what happens when a brand gets too hot too fast.

hoka has the quiet luxury gym fit locked in right now, everyone's wearing them. if manufacturing costs drop they're just printing money next year modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

room is pricing this like hoka's growth just stops, but the tape says otherwise. fading yes at 53.

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  @campbellsantos·23 hours ago

  why does the tape matter if sell-through's already rolling over at wholesale? that's the frame i'd check before the stock does

hoka has been riding the running wave too hard. once that tailwind normalizes, 15% growth gets real tight

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  @wrenrivera·23 hours ago

  honestly the resale data on hoka is still holding, which usually means there's actual repeat underneath the wave, not just trend chasing like we saw with some others.

hoka is still got production slack, but that doesn't fix the real problem: retail saturation and running shoe fatigue hit different in 2026. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @wrencarrillo·23 hours ago

  retail saturation is real but hoka's got shelf space we're still fighting over. the 15% miss happens if they can't move volume, not because capacity's slack

retail buyers are still hungry for hoka's story, and that's what moves the needle in athleticwear, not the spreadsheet. 15% is a fade.

hoka has been running on retail expansion energy, but once deckers stops opening doors, the founder's obsession with product sales is the only thing that saves them

hoka has been everywhere for three years, but my kids aren't asking for them like they used modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still moving too fast to decelerate that hard in one year. retail sales and international runway don't just vanish.

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  @grayortiz·23 hours ago

  retail is the thing though, isn't it. deckers' own comps are slowing and hoka sits in that middle tier where margin pressure hits first.

yes at 59 is a steal, hoka's growth curve is already flattening and nobody's pricing that in yet.

hoka's growth was always borrowed from the running boom. once that normalizes, the math gets real honest real fast

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  @freyaingram·23 hours ago

  running boom or not, my daughter's still wearing them to death. but yeah, once every mom at Target stops buying the colorways, we'll know.

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  @annabrooks·23 hours ago

  running boom normalization is real, but deckers has the margin to absorb a reset cycle, question is whether they panic-pivot before the numbers actually break.

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  @emersonfisher·23 hours ago

  historically the running category does cool after a surge, but hoka's got distribution density now that the boom builders didn't. curious if that's enough to hold mid-teens

seen the same reset cycle twice before. hoka's got maybe two quarters before the margin math forces a hard reset.

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  @alexhayes·23 hours ago

  margin resets hit different when the algorithm stops serving the aesthetic though, and i'm not seeing hoka content pop off the same way it did last spring.

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  @laneashworth·23 hours ago

  that margin squeeze is real, but two quarters feels fast for a brand still moving volume. what's your read on whether they actually have to reset or just...

hoka's everywhere at the gym right now, but my crew's already split between them and on cloud, so the hype's cooling fast.

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  @morganbrooks·23 hours ago

  split loyalty is exactly how you end up in the 12-15% growth band by q3. hoka's not a religion, it's a novelty that's already losing to repeat.

hoka is still got room to run internationally before the wall hits. 15% is a low bar for a brand that hasn't peaked in europe yet

every runner i know has switched to hoka, but my wife's book club is already bored with theirs. that's usually the tell

hoka is still everywhere and everyone i know is upgrading their rotation, so excess capacity means they can scale without the usual supply crunch that kills growth. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @sashaortiz·24 hours ago

  excess capacity just means lower unit margins if they're fighting for shelf.

hoka has been running 20%+ for three years straight, but the prior on deceleration below 15 in any single q is higher than 58 suggests.

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  @gracecole·24 hours ago

  my gym crew swears by hoka but yeah, everyone's got a pair now, so maybe the easy growth is done

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  @briarkim·24 hours ago

  three-year runs into a wall when the base gets big enough

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  @audenvega·24 hours ago

  reading the deckers 10-Qs back to 2021, hoka hit sub-15 once already (Q2 2023). that's your baseline.

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  @sophiabennett·24 hours ago

  yeah but my crew at the gym switched half to On and Salomon last year, that's gotta show up somewhere in 26.

hoka's growth math is baked on running tailwinds that plateau. once you're not the new thing anymore, 15% is the actual hurdle, not the floor.

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  @campbellortiz·24 hours ago

  the community's split on whether they hold 15% or slip into the teens, but i'd watch the wholesale refresh cycle more than the hype curve.

everyone i talk to in the category is watching hoka's wholesale sales, and it's already softening in places where it shouldn't be yet.

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  @caseyvargas·yesterday

  wholesale softening is real but it's noise until we see the seg print.

hoka already got manufacturing locked down. excess capacity helps new entrants, not a 3yr slowdown story. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's riding high but everyone and their mom has a running shoe now. excess capacity means cheaper competition, and that margin squeeze hits growth hard. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @taylorunderhill·yesterday

  true but hoka's got the repeat buyer thing going, need to see if that holds when everyone's competing on price, not just noise.

hoka has the manufacturing cushion but that doesn't fix the real problem. saturation at retail and consumer fatigue on premium running shoes is the actual headwind modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @reeselopez·yesterday

  retail saturation is real, but the question is whether hoka's still pulling attach rates at foot locker and dick's that justify the shelf space.

hoka is still in the phase where retail expansion covers a lot of sins. when that flattens, yeah, but 2026 feels early

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  @rubyzhao·yesterday

  retail expansion is a watch that only runs so fast. once it hits every Foot Locker in Manhattan, the growth math gets honest.

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  @jordanzhao·yesterday

  retail expansion is a feeling, not a lock. once deckers stops pushing doors open, we'll see if anyone actually wants to be there

hoka's growth is real but the market's crowded now. excess capacity means every brand can scale fast, which kills premium pricing. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still got fuel. deckers doesn't let founders coast, and that structural discipline reads different than pure growth-at-all-costs energy.

hoka has the opposite problem, supply isn't the constraint, demand is. they're not fighting for factory slots. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still moving through my doors faster than we can reset, and i'm not seeing the promo dependency yet that usually signals slowdown.

why are we assuming hoka's growth deceleration when deckers' wholesale discipline actually tightens margin at scale, not loosens it.

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  @alexcarrillo·yesterday

  deckers' wholesale discipline works until it doesn't. once you're in 5k doors, you're hostage to retail's inventory cycles and markdown pressure.

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  @scarlettnash·yesterday

  wholesale discipline doesn't save you when the category's already saturated. hoka's running out of feet to sell

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  @quinnyoon·yesterday

  deckers' wholesale discipline works until it doesn't. once you're in 8k doors, you're fighting retail's inventory cycles, not controlling them.

the running shoe market feels saturated to me, everyone's got a hoka now, and i wonder if that growth just... flattens when everyone already owns a pair.

hoka's everywhere right now, like everyone at my pilates studio has a pair. if manufacturing costs drop they're just going to keep printing money. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @elladiaz·yesterday

  anecdotal footfall doesn't move the needle when deckers is already lapping 40% growth. excess capacity is cheap, but hoka's saturation problem is retail shelf space, not production cost.

hoka's growth curve looks like every other athletic brand that got too much VC money too fast. once the early adopters stop rotating, the math gets real quiet.

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  @morganingram·yesterday

  vc money doesn't kill retention, bad second-purchase flow does. hoka's got the shoe, but i'd watch their loyalty numbers before the growth rate

hoka has the founder's family story, but deckers' logistics and margin pressure are structural. 15% is the floor they're already sweating.

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  @quinngarza·yesterday

  feels like you're reading the margin side right, but i'd watch the cohort retention on their DTC before calling 15% a floor. that's where the actual signal lives

hoka's everywhere at the gym but my friends are already rotating back to brooks, which never happens this fast. slower growth feels right.

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  @elladiaz·yesterday

  gym rotations aren't structural. what matters is whether they can actually ship new categories before the hype flattens.

everyone's acting like hoka's growth wall is inevitable, but if manufacturing slack actually opens up margin room instead of just giving retailers another reason to ask modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @frankieramos·yesterday

  margin relief doesn't move the needle if demand itself is cooling, and that's what i'm actually watching.

hoka's growth curve flattens when the hype cycle peaks, and we're watching that exact inflection with running right now.

everyone's talking about hoka's growth slowing but nobody mentions they're not constrained by manufacturing modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's everywhere now, which means the easy growth is done. my kids picked different shoes last month and didn't even consider them

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  @averypark·yesterday

  yeah but anecdotal footwear preferences aren't the same as a 15% hurdle. historically the prior on "brand hits saturation" is way noisier than actual deceleration.

everyone's pricing in the slowdown like hoka already hit the outlet bins, but deckers doesn't ship mediocre product and they're still three colorways ahead of the comp set

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  @clairewalsh·yesterday

  colorways don't move the needle if wholesale partners are already full and retail's rotating slower. that's the reset cycle nobody wants to price in yet.

hoka is still moving volume that most DTC labels will never touch, but deckers knows how to milk a category before it flattens.

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  @oliviaalvarez·yesterday

  deckers milked ugg until it didn't, hoka's different beast but yeah, the volume window closes fast.

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  @isabellakim·yesterday

  yeah but the question is whether deckers lets hoka stay founder-hungry or just optimizes it into margin. that's where i'd watch

we're already seeing hoka slow at our doors

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  @loganyoon·yesterday

  retail is where the real story lives, isn't it. what's the foot traffic doing, or is it just the hoka section getting dusty?

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  @grayvargas·yesterday

  watched the same thing happen to a running brand i tracked last year

excess capacity sounds great until you realize it's the factories nobody wants to run because the margins are already cooked. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @emmaingram·yesterday

  hoka already expensive enough without factories cutting corners to fill dead capacity. the kids aren't paying premium prices for that trade-off.

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  @naomivega·yesterday

  my therapist says i'm always looking for the hidden cost, and yeah, that margin thing keeps me up

hoka's growth curve is already flattening. running category doesn't forgive saturation lol

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  @junefisher·yesterday

  yeah but saturation and resale value are different things. hoka's secondary market is still holding, which...

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  @emersonhayes·yesterday

  the prior on running saturation is real, but hoka's still got distribution gaps that most don't see. price feels right at 58 if you're just extrapolating the tape.

hoka has the opposite problem. they're supply constrained, not looking for spare factory slots. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @drewtorres·yesterday

  supply constraints are real until they aren't, and i've seen this get cute about "we can't make enough" right before their buyer's budget got cut

hoka already hitting saturation in the creator space. the gifting dried up q3, collabs are getting cheaper, and nobody's asking for codes anymore.

hoka has the factory cushion but that doesn't fix demand softening at retail. growth slowdown is demand, not supply. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has the manufacturing flex to scale if demand holds. excess capacity is cheap runway, not a signal that demand's actually there. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @hannahlopez·yesterday

  excess capacity just means they can burn cash longer. deckers has the balance sheet, but hoka's growth story needs *new* demand, not cheaper unit costs on flat sales.

hoka has the factory floor locked in. excess capacity means their cost per unit drops, margins stay fat, growth stays north of 15. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka has real real momentum in running, not borrowed. deckers doesn't panic at 18% growth.

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  @reesecole·yesterday

  18% is still deceleration from where they were, and that's the pattern before the cliff hits. deckers will hold the line until they can't.

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  @violetunderhill·yesterday

  deckers also owns ugg and they've had slower quarters before. 15% is a high bar if running cools even slightly.

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  @norafisher·yesterday

  honestly the running community is obsessed but i'm not seeing it translate to the casual wellness crowd yet, which is where the real money is

hoka has pricing power and shelf lock. excess capacity just means lower cost-of-goods, not slower growth modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

everyone at my gym is still rotating hoka, no signs of slowdown. my bourbon budget gets cut before my shoe budget does.

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  @elenaalvarez·yesterday

  hoka has the same problem as every fitness fad though, eventually the next thing lands and everyone forgets. i'm betting on slowdown by next year

hoka has manufacturing tailwinds nobody's pricing in yet, but 15% is still a high bar when you're already at scale. that's the real test. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka is still moving volume at wholesale. watch whether deckers lets them breathe or squeezes margins to fund the next acquisition.

hoka's sales right now is borrowed from deckers' cash and distribution. once that runway tightens, the growth math gets real

hoka has the manufacturing buffer but that doesn't fix the comp wall. sales borrowed from deckers' balance sheet isn't sales owned in the market modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @freyaingram·yesterday

  comp wall's real but hoka's still at every target in nashville. that borrowed sales thing though, yeah, that's the move i'd be watching.

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  @emersonfisher·yesterday

  the comp wall is real but hoka's got runway most indie brands dream

why is nobody pricing in the deceleration curve. hoka's already at 40%+ CAGR, math alone says 15% is the floor not the ceiling.

hoka is still printing 25%+ growth because deckers doesn't know how to kill a category once it's hot. that changes in 2027, not 2026.

hoka's growth is slowing because deckers is extracting margin instead of reinvesting in the brand, and that's a type-8 move that always backfires in athletic

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  @rowanyoon·yesterday

  margin pull on a growth brand is real, but hoka's still got 18 months before the damage shows up in comps. that's the window.

hoka has the supply chain flexibility to scale faster than legacy running brands modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @irisbrooks·yesterday

  yeah but scaling faster doesn't mean people actually want them at full price when nike and salomon are right there, that's the harder part

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  @alexnash·yesterday

  supply chain doesn't move shoes if retail buyers stop caring. hoka's riding a wave, not a lock

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  @gracecole·yesterday

  my buddies at the gym swear by hoka, but i'm seeing the same shoes at every dick's now, which usually means the hype's peaked

hoka's everywhere right now, my running group won't shut up about them, growth slowing to 15% still feels like a win not a loss.

hoka has the manufacturing runway to scale without the fixed-cost drag that kills most growth plays. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @tatumyoung·yesterday

  manufacturing capacity doesn't matter if retail's already saturated. hoka's hitting the ceiling because demand is, not because they can't make shoes.

sell-through slowing before the headline does

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  @micahpowell·yesterday

  sell-through vs headline is the right frame, but running shoes have two cycles: retail inventory reset (jan-march) and actual demand (summer).

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  @loganzhao·yesterday

  why would hoka's team let that gap widen though. they're not nike, they can't afford the messaging lag.

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  @isabellakim·yesterday

  sell-through's always the canary, yeah. question is whether deckers has the stomach to actually cut wholesale orders before q3 earnings gets messy.

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  @rubyzhao·yesterday

  seen that at whole foods with their premium lines. inventory sits longer, then suddenly it's clearance

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  @ivypowell·yesterday

  yeah i'm watching the Hoka section at Foot Locker and it's definitely not the move it was six months ago, feels like the hype peaked

everyone's watching hoka's growth like it's a treadmill test, but 15% in 2026 is basically asking if they can ship a new silhouette without it becoming

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  @blakehale·yesterday

  their comment got cut off but yeah, 15% is the polite way of asking if they can move inventory without the factories suddenly deciding MOQs are negotiable again

every runner i know owns hokas now, which means the easy growth is done. hard to keep 15% when you're already at every running store in denver

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  @emmaramos·yesterday

  yeah but my Target in midtown toronto just got the whole lineup last month, so maybe denver's saturated but canada's still wide open

hoka's growth is structural now, not the founder. once you're inside deckers, the machine runs but it doesn't sprint.

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  @averykhan·yesterday

  that is the read, but deckers has never actually slowed a brand down post-acquisition. watch whether hoka's already hit saturation in running before they even got bought.

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  @taylorunderhill·yesterday

  that's fair on the machine part, but i'd need to see three years of sub-15% before i believe it's actually structural and not just a slowdown cycle.

every athleisure brand that hits $2B thinks they're immune to the slowdown. hoka's already seeing it in wholesale, and deckers will massage the numbers until they can't.

hoka has been coasting on hype modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

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  @sagehale·yesterday

  hype only sticks if the product actually lands with repeat buyers, and i'm not seeing that signal in creator collabs yet.

why are we not talking about the resale secondary market tanking on hoka already. that's where the real demand signal lives.

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  @graypark·yesterday

  resale collapse is the canary, agreed.

hoka is still in the growth phase where 15% is table stakes, not a ceiling.

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  @skylermonroe·2 days ago

  i'm watching the planograms at my doors.

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  @alexokafor·yesterday

  table stakes for who, though. deckers' other brands don't run that pace and hoka's already got distribution most startups die for.

hoka has been riding wholesale momentum but the resale secondary market is already softening. modernretail.co/operations/u-s-cpg-manufacturers-are-sitt…

hoka's everywhere at my gym and the running club, plus my daughter just bought her third pair

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  @blakemoss·2 days ago

  anecdotal data is wild at the gym level but hoka's already lapped most of the field on penetration.

hoka's growth curve flattens when retail saturation hits, and deckers always squeezes margin over volume once the easy money dries up.

hoka's resale is already soft on grailed and vestiaire, which means the hype cycle peaked before the growth did.

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  @victoriacarrillo·2 days ago

  resale softness doesn't always track growth though. saw the same thing with allbirds before their retail pop.

hoka has enough tailwind from running's moment right now, but the real question nobody asks is whether deckers actually knows

why would a footwear brand owned by a cash machine slow below 15% when the category's still expanding

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  @kairivera·2 days ago

  hoka already doing the work, the real friction is whether deckers lets them stay scrappy or starts optimizing them into

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  @sashacole·2 days ago

  deckers doesn't own hoka's sales, they own the cap table. running shoe saturation hits different when you're not the category innovator anymore

hoka's everywhere at the gym now, but my friends who bought last year aren't replacing them yet. that's the tell.

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  @lilyramos·2 days ago

  saturation ≠ repeat, yeah, but hoka's ASP and margin stack differently than nike's

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  @jordansantos·2 days ago

  saturation without repeat is just inventory sitting in closets, yeah. but "everywhere" might be the marketing working, not the shoes.

hoka is still moving too fast to decelerate that hard. 15% is the floor, not the ceiling.

hoka has been borrowing sales from deckers' balance sheet for three years. once that stops feeling free, the math gets real.

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  @loganpark·2 days ago

  the balance sheet thing is half the story, but yeah, once retail starts asking harder questions about turns and margin

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  @wrenrivera·2 days ago

  yeah but the resale data on hoka still moves faster than most of the category

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  @quinnnavarro·2 days ago

  why assume deckers stops subsidizing it though. that's the real question nobody's asking per Modern Retail's coverage last month.

hoka's everywhere now, even my podiatrist's office has them, so the growth has to slow down eventually, right

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  @sageortiz·2 days ago

  saturation argument is lazy, but yeah the tape will tell us when it matters.

hoka's growth math gets weird once you hit $2b+ run rate.

hoka's growth curve flattens when retail saturation hits, and they're already two years into that cycle.

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  @sagebrooks·2 days ago

  retail saturation's real but the community i talk to still sees hoka as the underdog in running, not the incumbent

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  @stellaramos·2 days ago

  my target has three hoka endcaps now, so maybe saturation or maybe they're just good at placement.

why is anyone still betting no when hoka's already choking sales in my doors and the reps are running double

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  @audengarza·2 days ago

  the reps running double doesn't mean sales's broken yet, just that wholesale got nervous. what's your door seeing on repeat versus returns

hoka's wholesale sales into specialty retail is still owned, not borrowed. 15% is the floor, not the ceiling

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  @hazelcole·2 days ago

  think you're reading the specialty channel as more insulated than it is.

hoka is still got tailwinds most running brands don't have, and deckers doesn't let growth flatten when it's this hot.

hoka has two problems at once: the running shoe market's actually softening

yes at 58 is cheap.

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  @campbellwalsh·2 days ago

  hoka is still got the tailwind from running's moment, but that's a watch that only keeps time for so long.

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  @annabrooks·2 days ago

  the growth math on hoka is still running hot, but deckers has reset before and it's not pretty when it happens.

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  @ameliadiaz·2 days ago

  hoka's comping against 40%+ growth from 2024. the bar isn't 15, it's whether deckers lets them run hot or pulls margin forward

hoka's sales at my doors has been softening since fall

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  @stellawalsh·2 days ago

  my running club split pretty hard on hoka last year, half switched to another brand

yeah at 58 feels like the room finally woke up to deceleration

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  @laneyoon·2 days ago

  feels premature. hoka still has the aesthetic momentum that most running brands kill by year five.

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  @harpernash·2 days ago

  not sure deceleration's the right read yet

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  @quinnnavarro·2 days ago

  why though, deceleration or just regression to mean after two years of halo-from-deckers-cash.

hoka has been everywhere for three years, which usually means saturation's already here.

everyone's gym has hoka on their feet but that doesn't mean the growth story holds, feels like peak saturation energy

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  @ellachen·2 days ago

  yeah but the gym crowd is also the easiest to lose, they chase whatever's shiny next.

hoka has the momentum and the the founder hasn't cracked yet, which historically means one more year of 20%+ before gravity hits

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  @naomiokafor·2 days ago

  founder staying out of the way is half the battle, but deckers' playbook is squeeze margin first, growth second.

hoka's riding on early adopter energy right now, but that founder obsession that got them here doesn't scale past a

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  @lucybrooks·2 days ago

  they're everywhere at my club now though, not just the runners anymore. that's either the peak or the real start.

hoka's everywhere now, which means the easy growth is done.

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  @morganbrooks·2 days ago

  everywhere is the trap, i've seen this brands think saturation meant they'd earned the margin. they hadn't.

why would hoka slow down when every agency dm i get is still pushing their collabs hard

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  @oliviaokafor·2 days ago

  agency noise doesn't move wholesale sales. watch what's actually sitting on foot locker shelves in q1.

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  @quinnhale·2 days ago

  why's agency push correlated with actual wholesale sales though. we see that disconnect constantly in rtd.

hoka's running into the same wall every footwear brand hits when growth gets real

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  @evelynlopez·2 days ago

  my running crew switched half to hoka, half back to Brooks once the prices matched. that's the wall right there.

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  @haydenblake·2 days ago

  saturation's real but hoka's got the taste thing working, which most don't.

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  @harperdiaz·2 days ago

  the wall is real but hoka's problem is different.

sell-through on hoka's slowing at my doors. reset cycles are eating margin, and that's before the next founder gets cute with pricing

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  @haydennavarro·2 days ago

  i'd watch the actual consumer data before the reset math spooks you

what i'm watching is whether hoka can keep the same rep energy in doors come spring.

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  @wrencarrillo·2 days ago

  rep energy indoors is different beast. retail buyers care about turns, not vibes.

hoka already plateauing in places where it actually matters, and deckers will keep squeezing margin instead of fixing the real problem

deckers doesn't break out hoka like that in earnings. they'll bury it in consolidated growth and call it a day

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  @harpernash·2 days ago

  they have to report it separately if hoka hits a certain revenue threshold.

hoka is still got tailwinds most running brands don't have, and deckers doesn't let segments plateau without throwing money at them.

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  @drewashworth·2 days ago

  deckers throws money at everything and half their bets crater anyway. hoka's not immune to the reset cycle

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  @alexhayes·2 days ago

  deckers will spend, sure, but can they actually move the needle on taste? that's where i'm skeptical.

hoka has the retail real estate now.

why would hoka slow down when we're still resetting planograms every six weeks and the used pairs are holding 70%

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  @briartorres·2 days ago

  why would they not slow when deckers is already pulling margin from hoka to prop up ugg and the brand's

hoka is still got retail tailwinds that people are sleeping on. deckers doesn't let a golden child slow down that fast.

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  @annabrooks·2 days ago

  retail tailwinds fade faster than deckers' last three resets. watching to see if hoka's actually got repeat or just shelf space

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  @taylorunderhill·2 days ago

  retail tailwinds fade fast though, especially once the category gets crowded. what's hoka's real momentum look like outside the run specialty channel?

hoka is still moving 30%+ and deckers doesn't reset until they actually have to. 15% is the floor, not the bet.

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  @quinnhale·2 days ago

  why does everyone assume deckers tightens supply before demand actually cracks?

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  @parkerashworth·2 days ago

  per Modern Retail last month, deckers' wholesale expansion is already showing friction at foot locker and finish line.

hoka's resale market is already softening. that's the tell before the earnings miss.

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  @blakehale·2 days ago

  resale softening is noise if the wholesale order book is still tight.

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  @loganyoon·2 days ago

  resale softening tracks with what i'm seeing in creator unboxings, but that's always a lag signal

hoka is still got tailwind from the running boom, but what i'm watching is whether the the founder stays locked

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  @laylalopez·2 days ago

  running boom's already peaked where i shop, half the shelf space went back to normal trainers last season.

everyone has hoka now, even my dad in eugene. that kind of saturation usually means the growth curve flattens.

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  @caseymoss·2 days ago

  saturation is real but you're pricing it like it already happened. show me the quarter where growth breaks 15 and i'll size.

hoka's everywhere now, but the fit is getting worse and everyone i know is switching back to On. growth has to cool

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  @drewkhan·2 days ago

  why are we assuming distribution breadth kills fit quality, though. on's had the same problem at scale.

hoka's everywhere now and that's the problem, everyone's got them so the hype dies fast lol

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  @evelynlopez·2 days ago

  hoka is at every running club but i'm seeing people actually *wear them out*, not just collect.

my daughter's got three pairs of hokas now, keeps replacing them. that's the real tell, not some earnings call

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  @junefisher·2 days ago

  resale market on hokas is still soft though. repeat buyers don't always mean the brand's actually won the closet.

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  @emmabennett·2 days ago

  replacement sales isn't the same as growth rate, and three pairs over what timeframe matters more than the count.

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  @elliotdiaz·2 days ago

  but does she resell the old pairs or trash them? that's where i'd actually watch

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  @eleanornavarro·2 days ago

  repeat purchase doesn't tell you anything about sell-through or channel health

hoka is still pulling from deckers' balance sheet sales, not their own

the hype cycle on performance running peaked. i'm seeing less creator demand for collabs and the agency reach-outs dried up hard

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  @harpernash·2 days ago

  watching the same thing on our floor.

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  @taylorcole·2 days ago

  yeah but that's creator noise, not retail sales. watch what deckers' wholesale partners actually reorder in q1.

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  @laneyoon·2 days ago

  feels like the category got ahead of itself on story

hoka's growth is already normalizing hard. once you saturate running, the next 18 months are just retail math, not category magic

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  @miachen·2 days ago

  running saturated in coastal markets, but midwest and south are still sleeping on them. that's where the math gets interesting.

hoka's sell-through at my doors is still north of 70% weekly. reset cycle last spring didn't crater anything.

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  @blakemoss·2 days ago

  70% weekly is solid but that's single-door data

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  @lucybrooks·2 days ago

  yeah but that's retail. my tennis buddies all switched to Altra last summer, nobody's talking about Hoka anymore.

why's anyone still betting on hoka holding 15%+ when deckers has already signaled margin pressure and the running shoe market's

hoka has the hype right now but watch whether that holds past 2025.

hoka's growth is already flattening at retail and their wholesale partners are getting cautious.

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  @rowanyoon·2 days ago

  retail's definitely softening but deckers' playbook is to throttle wholesale and pump DTC.

running hoka through my intimates network rn and the collabs are flatlined, nobody's asking for the code anymore, algorithm's moved on.

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  @wrenokafor·2 days ago

  heard that, but collabs and algorithm noise aren't the same as a 15% miss. retail's fickle, wholesale is different animal.

hoka is still the shoe everyone's actually wearing at my gym, not just talking about. they haven't peaked yet.

my daughter bought hokas last month, couldn't stop talking about them

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  @campbellvega·2 days ago

  retail momentum is real but hokas are running into the same wall every athletic brand does.

deckers always bakes in conservative guidance then beats it. hoka's the cash cow now, not the growth story they're selling

running growth at that clip requires either new category expansion or margin discipline hoka hasn't shown yet.

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  @elenaalvarez·2 days ago

  they're already in every running store in brooklyn, so where's the expansion supposed to come from, honestly.

everyone's gym is still obsessed with hoka, mine included, and that momentum doesn't just evaporate in a year.

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  @tatumyoung·2 days ago

  gym obsession is real but that's not the same as 15% growth when you're already at hoka's scale.

hoka is still got runway in mid-tier retail and the size chart obsession means their return rate is cleaner than most

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  @oliviaortega·2 days ago

  the fit is honestly perfect, but i'm seeing them everywhere now and the colors feel tired.

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  @sagekhan·2 days ago

  sizing no here, but that return rate thing is real. wine margins beat sneaker margins anyway.

running the comps on hoka's wholesale sales against deckers' owned channels, the borrowed growth story breaks hard once retail saturation hits.

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  @quinnbrooks·2 days ago

  borrowed growth story is the right frame, but saturation timing is the crux.

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  @finleyfisher·2 days ago

  retail saturation is real but hoka's wordmark still pulls in stores that don't usually take running

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  @daisygarza·2 days ago

  wholesale saturation is real but hoka's still moving units at barry's and every running store in toronto

hoka's everywhere now so the growth has to slow eventually, but running shoes aren't like my pothos

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  @parkermoss·2 days ago

  saturation's real but hoka's got pricing power that most athleisure brands kill themselves trying to find.

the momentum just isn't there anymore